Faith in Action: Serving, Seeing, and Living with Grace with Michael James – ep.175

In this faith-focused episode of The Jali Podcast, host Melyssa Barrett welcomes Michael James, founder of David Grace Ministries, a man whose life is a testimony to faith in action.

Michael David James is a dedicated and compassionate individual, married to his high school sweetheart, Valerie Grace James, for 38 years. Together, they have two wonderful daughters, three granddaughters, and one grandson. Michael spent twenty years cultivating a successful career at AT&T before retiring and continuing his professional journey at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

However, his true passion is service. He is the founder of David Grace Ministries, a nonprofit organization committed to supporting the homeless community with compassion and respect. Whether providing a warm meal, offering a listening ear, or lending a helping hand, Michael is always present to meet the needs of others. Grounded in purpose and driven by a heart for ministry, he brings wisdom, humility, and hope to every interaction.

My hope is that this episode provides a welcome spiritual dimension to your journey, encouraging you to take a break, refill your cup, and consider how faith in action can transform lives—yours and those around you.

Key Themes

  •  How David Grace Ministries started (and why)?

  •  The power of partnership, a 44-year marriage.

  •  Why faith in action is essential in times of uncertainty and change

  •  The importance of seeing and serving the homeless and marginalized

  •  The call to balance spiritual, emotional, mental, and professional well-being

  •  Legacy, love, and leadership through ministry

Resources & Links

  •  Learn more about David Grace Ministries: davidgraceministries.com (https://www.davidgraceministries.com) 

In a world that feels fast and uncertain, may this episode inspire you to slow down, listen, and reflect on your own call to serve. Faith is powerful, but faith in action is transformative.

Melyssa Barrett: Welcome to the Jali Podcast. I’m your host, Melyssa Barrett. This podcast is for those who are interested in the conversation around equity, diversity, and inclusion. Each week I’ll be interviewing a guest who has something special to share or is actively part of building solutions in the space. Let’s get started. Hello friends, and welcome back to the Jali Podcast. I’m your host, Melyssa Barrett, and over the next two episodes, I felt like leaning into something we all may need from time to time, a pause. Sometimes life moves so quickly that we forget to refill our own cup. We pour into our work, our families, our communities, and yet we don’t always take the space to breathe, to reflect and to renew. So I took a little bit of a breather, but I think sometimes we need to protect our peace and sometimes we think that we’re supposed to disconnect our feelings to go to work.

And the older I get, I feel like life and work are so fully integrated that when you do what you love, it doesn’t feel like work. But even then when you’re doing the things that you love, sometimes you just need a break. You get so busy, so excited, so passionate, so energetic about things that it’s always good to take a little bit of a break. So these next two episodes are really devoted to some faith focused conversations that I hope will bless your life in ways you may not have considered today. We’re joined by Michael James of David Grace Ministries whose work is rooted in grace service and really the kind of leadership that makes communities stronger. His story and his heart for ministry will definitely inspire you to see how faith can be a foundation, but also a force for transformation, a way to help and see people.

And I just wanted to share it with you because everybody knows I love celebrating people that are doing work that impact our communities. And Michael James is no different. So this episode, you will hear from him and the next episode, if you tune in, you’re going to hear a little bit more about divine overflow sequence. And so it’s really a framework for leadership, but I’m not going to tell you all about it because I want you to join in and hear what we have to say. So I hope these episodes speak to your spirit as much as your strategy, and I hope these episodes encourage you to slow down, receive, and maybe even look at your own path with fresh eyes. Thank you as always for listening, for supporting this community and for sharing this space with me. Now let’s dive into my conversation with Michael James of David Grace Ministries. I am excited this week. I’m always excited when I get to talk to wonderful people, and that appears to be on a regular basis. This week is no exception because I have the distinct pleasure of having Michael James join me on the jolly podcast for a conversation that is sure to make you want to get up and do something in the world. So I am excited to have you, Michael. Thank you for joining me.

Michael James : Thank you. Thank you for the invitation.

Melyssa Barrett: I would love to know Michael, how David Grace Ministries was founded and what did God place on your heart to even launch this mission? Because having just learned about it, I feel like I’m peeling back layers of you every time I have a conversation. For years,

Michael James : Probably for the past 10 years, I have served the homeless community in the Bay Area where I lived, and it actually grew out of a home Bible study. We used to have in Hayward, a group of men, Anthony Stafford senior and his son Joe Stafford. We had a men’s Bible study and it kind of grew organically. We had this Bible study once a week and we realized we wanted to do more. So we just said, you know what? Every Saturday, once a month, we’re going to serve the homeless community. I came home and man, they were being blessed out of my house because my wife, she had so much clothes, shoes she hadn’t worn, jackets she hadn’t worn, so they were getting fitted in Oakland and we drove around. We bought coffee donuts, and it wasn’t sponsored by any church, just a group of men who wanted to serve. Wow. So I’ve always kind of had that in my heart. David Grace really came out of, I know I had cancer twice. I retired at 55. I’m 61 now. So from the age of 55 to 61, I’ve had cancer twice, and this last time was January 20, 25 when they were actually wheeling me into the operating room. I tell my wife after the fact, I didn’t have one of those prayers where it’s like, Lord, if you get me out of this, I’ll do whatever you want. It wasn’t that. It was somewhere on that ride, I realized how short life is

And how I wasn’t doing what God. I felt like I wasn’t doing what God had called me to do, and that was a big part of it. And sometimes with life, being a husband, being a father, now a grandfather, things get in the way of what you feel you’re called to do. And I just said, this is something that I love that is organic that God gave me. David Grace, my middle name is David Valerie’s, middle name is Grace

Melyssa Barrett: And Valerie. And Valerie is your wife?

Michael James : Yes. Valerie is my wife of 38 years. We met in high school. We’ve been together about 44 years.

Melyssa Barrett: Oh, wow.

Michael James : Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that’s my boot from back in high school. That’s amazing. Yeah, we’re still doing it. So that’s where it came, that’s where came from, and we just hook up with other organizations this past week we were in San Francisco, and it really is beautiful to see people doing the same thing. There’s a young lady, it’s called Angels on Duty. If I’m talking too much, let me know. I can run. Wow, go ahead. So Angel’s on Duty. This is a young lady who, it’s not sponsored by her church either. She’s running this homeless ministry out of her kitchen literally, and she’s been doing it for eight years. And I was invited by a friend of mine to go out there and serve with them and link arms with them. And we went out there. This young lady, when I went there, she had two big old gumbo pots full of water, hot water for the soup. She bought all these soup, she had all these sandwiches, she had other bags full of toothpaste and toothbrushes and socks. It’s just, that’s really serving and that’s where my heart is. And when we were out there, everything just came natural to me.

And God doesn’t ask much. And it’s just, it’s one thing to go on a building as we do every Sunday, but there are people out there in need and it’s not much for me to give.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah.

Michael James : Wow. Yeah,

Melyssa Barrett: That’s awesome. And I mean, the homeless problem, I mean, I’ll call it a problem, the unhoused community has really grown over the last few years, and I don’t know if it’s shifting from one place to another or whether, obviously there’s a lot going on economically. People are strapped and stressed to the limit. And so what are you seeing out in the world today in terms of who you’re serving? What needs are you guys able to address?

Michael James : To me, it’s a combination because we won’t get political. I will just say years ago, a decision was made federally to close mental hospitals. So really the people you see out there is a lot of mentally ill people who should be in a hospital, but they seem to be transitioning either from the streets and ending up in state or penitentiaries where they’re going from the streets to jail and there’s no middle ground. It’s not just a Bay Area problem, this is a national problem. So you have people who just can’t afford to live and find themselves in that position and can never really get themselves out of it. And I mean, actually if you look at it, the average American, we work 40 hours a week in this country and still can’t make it

Melyssa Barrett: At least

Michael James : 40, at least people working at least 40 and doing Uber and whatever else, and still can’t get out of this hole. So really, a lot of people don’t realize how close you are to being out there. That’s really all it takes.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, no, it’s true. It’s true. And you having such a strong sense of faith, how does this whole process work? Do you just show up somewhere and you’re out there talking to folks, or what does David Grace Ministries do? What are you focused on?

Michael James : It’s ministries focused on bringing volunteers together who are like-minded. We also link up, most of the members that I link up with are members of other churches who have the same desire. And right now we look at ourself as the boots on the ground representing Christ. And every day we’re finding out about other avenues that we can direct people to get them help out there. So we try to link up with other organizations. I see myself through David Grace and the website, which we haven’t talked about, but I actually see myself as a vehicle to help other people who are already doing this kind of work and find helping them to finance this, what they’re doing. Because I mean, I see myself as a vehicle to help other people who are already out there doing this type of work. And it’s funny, I was thinking of preaching a sermon on the common person. I can’t give you verse, but there’s a scripture where you have the disciples arguing as you’re walking down the street

And they passed a man. It doesn’t say who the man is. We are not giving any other information about this person. All we know is this man is serving, he’s doing work in the name of Jesus. And the disciples try to tell him to stop. And I don’t know if you remember when they finally went to Jesus and the disciples asked him about this man who was doing work, good work in the name of Jesus. And we told him to stop, and Jesus said, don’t stop him. Anyone doing works in my name, basically let them be because there are people out there all over this country like me, like this young lady in San Francisco that are doing God’s work and they’re doing it by themselves. They’re financing it by themselves. And I would like to be a vehicle to help with that. I hope I said that. I mean,

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, that was awesome. You talked about kind of the story about how you guys got together and you just were like, Hey, I want to do this. But I am sure that when you are out there, it’s devastating to see what is out there and how folks are challenged these days. So one of the things I wanted to ask you is just how you stay grounded spiritually when you have moments of challenge or discouragement, not only in serving others, but really kind of yourself. And having gone through cancer twice. I mean, that’s a huge challenge in yourself, but you keep coming out on the other side, which is a good thing, so such a blessing. But how do you help yourself stay grounded?

Michael James : I just know in my heart that God is with me, is walking with me. And honestly, I’ve heard athletes or performers say they feel more natural on stage or on that athletic field. And when I’m out in the community, I really feel like this is where I’m supposed to be. I mean, it just fits my pastor, brother Brinkley.

Melyssa Barrett: Yes,

Michael James : Okay. If he asked me to preach, I would feel like a fish out of water. But this fits, this feels like this is what God called me to do. And I believe we all were given that special gift that God gave us to where we just walk in it. I don’t look at anyone out there. As matter of fact, I call everybody brother and sister and yeah, I mean, it just feels like this is what I was called to do.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, that’s awesome. So what area have you been working in?

Michael James : San Francisco, Oakland, Tracy and Stockton.

Melyssa Barrett: Okay.

Michael James : And there are brothers, and actually I’ve gotten a lot of calls from some sisters that want to go out and volunteer. Everybody is always eager to want to go out. They just need the vehicle to do it. And this is that vehicle on the 26th. There’s a brother, Lord, I’m so bad with names at 62 years old brother. He’s another person who serves the community in Tracy, straight out of his pocket. He feeds the homeless, he has it set up with the church and Tracy, and he’s been doing this for years out of his pocket. And I plan to be there with some other volunteers, and we’re just going to serve. It’s, for me, it’s just about serving people who are in need. And the crazy thing is we’re at a point in this country to where we’ve almost criminalized being homeless right now in New York. I mean, they’re talking about jailing people for being homeless. It’s just sad. And I think this is the call for God’s people. Am I the answer to the homeless community? No. But we can try to touch our sphere of influence to people where we, and it’s just about loving people.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah. Well, and it’s interesting you say that because I think a lot of times people think that as one person, it’s hard to make a difference, but I can imagine connection with that one person or the people that you touch during that time period can make a huge difference in their lives, especially if you don’t know where your next meal is coming from.

Michael James : Well, and then the main thing in our own way, we just want to be seen. And even just for a minute, you are out there. People drive by this every day, and we’re so conditioned to try to not see it. So to step out of your car and actually see someone and meet a need, even if it’s just a meal, some socks, a jacket. I mean, we go out and I plan to go out this fall and pass out jackets and hats and socks. Socks and jackets are always, especially now. So yeah, just meeting the need.

Melyssa Barrett: That’s awesome. That’s so inspiring because when I think of all of the challenges and quite frankly, whether you are unhoused or whether you have a place to live, you’re still probably going through some challenges. I think there are so many people that are just, whether it be they got laid off or they might be working one or two jobs trying to keep up. What do you think, I mean, if someone’s feeling kind of broken or lost, they’ve lost hope, what message would you share?

Michael James : The main thing, even for myself, even when you feel alone, you’re not, God is here. God is walking with us. We keep waiting for this burning bush moment sometimes, but the presence of God is here.

And even what drew us together, it’s something my wife and I, we pray every morning for the people at her job, for the people at my job. And I just want to be the man of God that he called me to be today because tomorrow’s not promised. And just when you open your heart like that, God moves to pieces. He really does. And it doesn’t have to be this walk on water experience, it’s just having yourself available. It could be a coworker. They know who you are. Michael, can you pray with me? We don’t need to lay hands and make people rise from the dead. You just need to be available, honestly.

Melyssa Barrett: I love that. I love it. So now tell me about David Grace ministries.com. I know that’s where people actually reach you, right?

Michael James : People can reach us there if you feel, this is hard for me to do because we grew up in a time where we see the church as always asking for money. So this is really hard for me. The person who made my website, Billy Robbins, he was also one of the original people. He said, Michael, it’s fine. He says, let this be a vehicle to help people. So if anyone wants to be a part of the team, we want to have a place where people can go and know that you can donate your time. You can donate clothing if you want. Nice clothing, nice clothing, or you could donate your finances and know that hey, it’s going to go directly to people who are doing the work out there. So that’s what the website is for.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, that’s great,

Michael James : I hope.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, absolutely. That’s fantastic. And I mean, I think it’s great that you have the ability to take in all of these things. I, I mean, I look at my own house and I’m like, wow, I have so much to give away that it’s sitting in my closet or whatever that I don’t do anything with. And I feel like a bad steward because it’s sitting there, so I keep putting things in a pile so that I can give them somewhere. But there’s been, since COVID, there’s a lot of shelters and things that no longer take those donations. So I think a lot of people struggle to find places to give it unless they’re giving it to goodwill, which then turns around and in many cases sells it as opposed to really giving people what they need at the time. Exactly. So I think it’s phenomenal the stuff that you all are doing. What’s been some of the most impactful for you? Let’s pause for a moment. We’ll be right back.

Michael James : I think for me, the impactful thing is the look on people’s faces that we’re there. And I hope I’ve said that right, but that for me, it’s been impactful to know that no, I’m not the answer to this whole problem across America, but I can just touch one person in a way. It’s a small way, but we’re doing what we can. And I hope I said that the way I really want to say it, but it’s just been impactful for me to feel like, Lord, if this is what you can do to help me, to me, I feel complete. As a Christian, you can get caught up with going to church on Sunday and going to Bible study on Wednesday, but you never take that extra step. You kind of stay in your comfort zone. And this is ministry at its finest. This is ministry not wearing the nice suit with the TD Jakes thing. And this is the ministry of Christ. And I think that’s impacting me the most to humble myself because I’m not wealthy. I’m trying to make it. But you know what, God is important and this is important.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, it is so important. So important. I want to ask you, what legacy do you hope that you’ll be able to leave behind for the community? Because you’re one of those people that you call me Tommy, but Tommy from Martin, he was like, what do you do? But I mean, I look at you and you bring so much, and yet you’re so understated in terms of how impactful you are in the community. So what legacy do you hope to leave?

Michael James : I just want to know that I can stand before God and know that fulfilled what he called me to do. I don’t really look at it as legacy. I used to wrestle in high school and college, and I try to explain to people, there’s a lot of times on that mat where I lost, but I was satisfied because I know I did everything that I could do out there. And I was proud of that at and matches where I’ve won. And I’ve been mad because I know I didn’t do everything that I could do. And I think that’s to summarize how when I first started, how I first started this conversation when I was being wheeled into the operating room and I realized how short life is. I don’t want to stand before God know. You know what? I sold you short. I know I could have stepped out more. I know I could have done more. And if that’s my legacy, then hey, everything that God has called me to be, I’ve tried to be the best husband. Am I perfect? No, I tried to be the best father. I’ve tried to be the best grandfather, and I don’t want to come up short being the man of God that he called me to be.

Melyssa Barrett: Amen. That’s awesome. I really want to know how did you become the person you are? And normally I ask this first, but I am trying to understand the journey you gave me probably the last few years, but where did all this start and how did you come to have this mindset of giving? Did it start, I mean, I don’t know where you were born, but did it start with your own parents or how did that transcend for you?

Michael James : My mom was giving to a fault. I never knew my dad. So as far as that part of it, I think that’s been my mom, but I think God wired me that way, and I’m going to try to explain this as best I can. I have a very small circle of people that I call friends because naturally I’m a giving person and I’ve had to learn. Everybody’s not ready for that. I’m the type of person I would welcome you with open arms, and I want to do that. I feel like that’s when I’m my best me, but the world won’t allow me to be that way because most people, when you try to love them, they look at it as,

So I’ve had to learn how to draw that line and say, okay, but I function better when I can just be myself and me being myself is really giving. I would rather give than receive really. And I’m not trying to make myself sound like a saint not, but I hope that makes sense. Yeah. I think that along with just being an athlete most of my life, I’m just a fighter anyway. And I look at my life being, I truly believe, and I do understand that tomorrow’s not promised. So every day I want to know when I go to bed that I did the best that I could possibly do, even if that was I failed. And even if the best I could possibly do was just to get up and forgive myself, dust myself off, say, thank you Lord, and wake up another day and let’s do it again.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, we spend, it’s funny you say that because I was telling you about the work that I do with more business, more life, and one of the things we talk about a lot is allowing yourself that five minute wallow, but then you got to get out. So because life is so short, you don’t want to be stuck all in that negative. And if you can’t get out, then that’s when, and we have to stop stigmatizing mental health and therapy and all of those things because we have been through so much and the trauma about with all of that is real. And so we have to make sure that we have the ability to take care of ourselves.

Michael James : I actually didn’t share that. And when you said that, I’m going to go ahead. My mom suffered from mental illness my whole life. As a matter of fact, my youngest memories of my mom is her going to the hospital the majority of the time every summer. It seemed like she was going back and forth to the hospital. So hey, that could be some of it too. That could be some of it too. But one thing I love about my mom is she raised me to the best of her ability. The lights were always on. There was always food to eat, and there was a belt in her hand when I didn’t act right. She raised,

Melyssa Barrett: We all remember the

Michael James : Belt. Yeah, I grew up in the

Melyssa Barrett: Seventies. Oh yes. They

Michael James : Didn’t have a problem.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, I would be lucky if it was the belt sometimes it was whatever was close by. But no, I definitely can appreciate that and I think it’s so great that we have the ability to talk more freely, especially in our community about mental health to the extent that there are you all able to provide resources or information to folks as well in terms of where they might be able to get help if they’re unhoused?

Michael James : I’m at the point now where I’m actually gathering information now of where people can go. I’m very familiar with San Joaquin and what San Joaquin offers. Actually, San Joaquin offers a lot. This county and Alameda County offers a lot. I’m getting more information about what San Francisco offers, but it will all be on the website and the website is being updated daily because that’s what we want it to be. We want it to be a vehicle where people can use it as a resource to get help.

Melyssa Barrett: Fantastic. I love that. So where do you see, looking ahead, where do you see Michael, David Grace Ministries, Michael, in terms of where you want it to go? Do you have a grand vision or

Michael James : Not much on sharing my five year plans?

Melyssa Barrett: Well, you don’t have to share the five year plan, but in your wildest dreams, if God bless you with whatever you wanted for use of this ministry, what would it be

Michael James : For it to be a vehicle where we can bless others out there doing this work where we also can be a vehicle for people in churches who I was who think it’s enough just to go to church on Sundays and Bible study on Wednesdays to actually get out there and minister and do what God called us to do, which is love people. That’s really all we’re doing. We’re loving people and equip people, be the vehicle to equip other people to love people. That’s what I see it. I’m 61. I’m probably hopefully, Lord, you give me another 20 years. I would love for this to be what I do with the rest of my life.

Melyssa Barrett: Maybe 40 years.

Michael James : Well, we’ll see. I’ll be shooting for a hundred.

Melyssa Barrett: Exactly. Well, and I love how you say we have to be the hands and feet of Jesus out there, which is awesome because I think a lot of times we do get stuck kind of focused on the circle we have around us at church and we forget that part of ministry is really going out and really to your point, really seeing people and helping in ways that maybe we don’t know how, but I think what’s always a blessing to me is when you go out and you’re blessed, you think that it’s like, Hey, I want to help them, but really you’re being blessed more than they are with whatever you’re providing.

Michael James : And honestly, you feel, how can I put this? I just feel like God rewards your spirit and you understand just like the disciples that were walking by people out there in need, we take so much for granted. There’s so many more reasons for me to say thank you Lord, than why me, Lord. It really is. And it makes you thankful. It changes your prayer life. It does. When you are out here and you can turn on ac, when we’re living out here in Tracy, in Stockton, it’s a hundred degrees. Somebody’s out there on the streets in a tent, no ac, and we’re complaining and we’re complaining about our situation. So it changes your prayer life, it changes you as a person. You can’t do this without being changed as a person.

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, so true. Well, what else can we talk about that you haven’t said

Michael James : What you want to know?

Melyssa Barrett: Yeah, let’s do it.

Michael James : I was born in Oakland, west Oakland and met my wife. She’s a big part of my life. So I met my wife at Oakland Tech High School, which was a story in itself. I was supposed to go to McClymonds, y’all might have to edit some of this out. I was going to McClymonds, you want to hear my story? How got me to Oakland Tech? Yeah, let’s hear it. I never got a chance to tell this story of my mom’s funeral, but I went to Mac in the ninth grade. That was back in the day when they actually had homeroom. I was playing JV football at Mac in the ninth, and I brought home this report card, F 1D oh 2.75. Great point. Wow. Yeah, that was pretty bad. So my mom, bless her heart back then, everybody called me Fray Train.

Yeah, that was kind that ghetto nickname. So my mom, she beat me pretty doggo. She whooped my butt, and that was the beginning of the year of football season. She pulled me off the team and told me, you’re going to get yourself together and your name, not afraid. That was one of them. Whoopings your name, not Freight Train. Your name is Michael. David JI want to hear another person. So she said, when you passed the ninth grade, she pulled me out of Mac and took me to Oakland Tech. And to me, I look at that as my Saul to Paul moment because I started to discover who I was at that point. And I started, I met probably one of the biggest influences in my life, coach Ashley Sherman, who’s still alive at Oakland Tech. And he used wrestling as a way to kind of mature me. And I finally started to find myself. I went there in sophomore year, junior year, and by my senior year, God brought me my wife that I didn’t know. He brought me Valerie. And we’ve been together ever since that time, 1981.

Melyssa Barrett: Wow.

Michael James : We’ve been together ever since then. Grew up together. I was 23 when we got married. She was 21. We were babies, and we learned together. We grew up together. That’s how life is.

Melyssa Barrett: Yes. That’s awesome. Well,

Michael James : I don’t know if any of this is going to make it, but that’s me.

Melyssa Barrett: That’s awesome. Well, I mean that’s who makes us who we are. I feel like the Jali Podcast, one of the things that Peter used to talk about, my husband, because most people know that he passed away now over eight years ago. And one of the things that he could really connect with everyone, because he knew everybody’s history, and I’m not talking, he knew the history of whether you were Greek or European or African or whatever. I’m talking, he might know your actual family, DNA history. And he could get into a lot of detail on like, oh, I’ll never forget.

I had a senior vice president start at Visa one day and his last name was, and I said, oh, I got a new senior vice president. And he said, what’s his name? So I told him and he said, Tava, oh yeah, they come through so-and-so. And they came into Boston and he just went on just in his mind, sitting on the couch. And that always kind of impressed me because I was like, I don’t know how he keeps all that information in his head. It was amazing. And so the Jali Podcast is really about people’s telling stories and getting our stories out there, because many times as African-Americans, you only get a particular perspective. So my focus is always about how do we make sure that there is equity, that there is inclusion, and a lot of what you’re talking about when it comes to the unhoused, they’re disproportionately black and brown unhoused populations.

And so being able to serve those populations becomes really significant to make sure that we can get them on the path or back on the path or make sure that they have what they need. Because everybody, I think, wants to know that they have enough, they are enough and that they can have the life that they want. I mean, ideally, I mean, we’re only here for a short time, as you said. So I think it’s awesome what you’re doing and if there’s anything we can do to help, we’re here. And I just appreciate you coming on and talking about David Grace Ministries, and I look forward to hearing an update and maybe having you back and you can come back and tell us all about how it’s going, because I think you are doing wonderful things and I just love you and Valerie to death. So again, if we can help in any way we are

Michael James : Here. If this is new to me, although I had to make a Facebook for David Grace, I had to make a Instagram. This is all new, got old school. But I would like to say anyone that is interested in supporting what we’re doing, you can reach us on the website. I do have a David Grace Instagram, so we will be letting everyone know what we’re doing. I didn’t provide anything with the website, but it is david grace ministries.com if you’re looking for

Melyssa Barrett: It. And we will put that in the podcast notes along with connections. We’ll tag you of course, so that people know where you are on Instagram and Facebook. I think there are lots of people that are looking for ways to give back, and it’s just an awesome way to connect with a wonderful group of individuals that are doing great things, especially, I mean, I’m glad you’re working in my community and outside of that. So I just thank you for the work that you’re doing and love to celebrate people doing wonderful work in the community. So thank you. Thank you, sister. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for joining me on the Jali Podcast. Please subscribe so you won’t miss an episode. See you next week.