Promoting Women Empowerment – Ep.48

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Founder and Director of Community Partnerships and Wine Experiences at Teneral Cellars, OT Mosley-Bremond discusses how the company uses wine to create a safe space for open conversations and engage in social impact initiatives.

Melyssa Barrett:  Otesha Mosley-Bremond, a South Los Angeles native, community advocate and educator, believes her passion and responsibility to the world is to create spaces for growth and transformation. She goes by OT and she has served the South Los Angeles community for more than 10 years, providing culturally adept programming and events that encourage inclusivity, community awareness and community building. She believes creating cultures of engagement and belonging are the foundation of community building, which fuels the development of trust based relationships and transformational change.

She holds a BA in criminal justice from San Diego State University, a master’s degree in psychology from Pepperdine University and a certificate in diversity, equity and inclusion at both LinkedIn and Cornell University’s eCornell Program. She is also a Woman of the Vine & Spirits 2022 Discus Academy Developing Leadership awardee and DEI committee member. Please join me in welcoming OT.

All right. So this week I am so excited, I met these wonderful women not long ago at an East Bay Women’s Conference and I have the absolute pleasure of having OT, who likes to go by, although I know your real name, Otesha Mosley-Bremond. She is with me this week to talk about diversity, equity and inclusion amongst other things. And everybody can hear I’m a little bit raspy this week, but we’re just going to keep it moving, because we just have this great opportunity to talk to all these wonderful people. So OT, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you came to be where you are today?

OT Mosley-Bremond:  All right. Hello. Thank you Melyssa for having me on a podcast, I’m excited to be here. Let’s see, I am a South Los Angeles native, I spent my entire life here. I’ve never left, except I went to college in San Diego, but I don’t count that, not that far I came home every weekend. If you’re that close, you’re coming home to eat and steal food from the fridge, right?

Melyssa Barrett:  And doing in the laundry.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Exactly. I have always been in this work of community building, community advocacy. It’s just kind of in my blood, my grandmother was very much a civil rights activist and always wanted me to remember where I came from and question everything. I’ve always been just someone who was never okay with the status quo. And so throughout my college journey I did a lot of social activism.

After that I joined a nonprofit in South Los Angeles where I did a lot of community and family development and while I was there, my wife was also heading the VP of California Women Lead. And they were having a wine tasting for their annual conference a couple of years ago. And the wine happened to be Teneral Cellars and the tasting was super fun, they sent three bottles to your home. We were in COVID of course so they sent it to your home. We got on this Zoom and they were explaining the wines. And if you ever met Jill Osur, the owner of Teneral Cellers. Her passion is just like, it just pours through whenever she’s talking. And so I was really intrigued. I was like, “Oh, I’ve never even thought about wine and the industry and what was going on in that industry.”

I knew that I didn’t like Moscato like most people who look like me and I was like, “Yeah, that’s right. Let’s dig deeper. There’s more to wine than just these simple little things that they market to us every day.” And she was saying, “As women, we consume most of the wine, but the industry doesn’t reflect us in leadership.” Right. And so I was like, “Oh, that’s pretty interesting.” And she was saying, “And then even if you go deeper into that and talk about women of color, it’s even worse.” Right. So I was like, “Oh, well I like wine. And I’m a woman of color. Let me get in there. Let me see what she’s talking about because she was saying she wanted to bring women in.” So I emailed her while she was still on the call.

And when the call ended, I got email immediately from her and she was like, “Let’s meet.” And I was like, “Oh, okay, sure. I don’t know if I’m ready for that, but all right fine.” So we meet and it was literally like two Kindred spirits just melted into one. And we were just speaking each other’s languages. And I started consulting for Teneral first and as I was consulting, we both understood that we wanted to work together and we wanted it to be a much more lifelong friendship relationship. And so I became an investor in Teneral. And so my wife and I invested and started changing the structure of how Teneral was asking for investments and just really informing Jill on if she really wanted women to be a part of this and come along on this journey where we were really going to have to rethink how this was being done. And once we started doing that, it just became like, “You know what? You need to be on the team officially because I need this energy.” And so I joined the team officially in June of 2021.

Melyssa Barrett:  Wow. That is awesome. I mean, to be able to seize the moment like that, first of all.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  So you have lots of little lessons in there for people in terms of, reach out right away.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. Oh listen. Let me be clear though. That is not who I was. I was in a transitional period at the time where I was trying to push myself to do different things. I was unhappy in the job that I was in and I needed to do something different. And so my wife was like, “Just be a shark, get aggressive, do it a little more.” And I was like, “Okay.” So I tried it in and look what happened.

Melyssa Barrett:  There you go. That’s what I’m saying. That’s how you get it to pay off. We all have to kind of sit in that uncomfortable zone in order to really gel. So then now as a founder of Teneral Cellers, which is pretty awesome, I mean the diversity when it comes to wine, for sure. And you talked about not only women, I think I want to say Jill says it’s like 67% of wine is by women.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  And yet they’re represented like less than 15% or something like that.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  And then 0.1% black winemakers men and women included.

Melyssa Barrett:  Wow. I mean, that is incredible. So what are some of the things you guys are doing to really change the narrative? Because I know for me, and Jill is so awesome. I can’t wait to have her on because I know she come on. She talks a lot about, kind of making sure your head, heart and gut are aligned. What are some of the things that Teneral is doing, especially when it comes to diversity, equity and inclusion. Because I think you guys almost use wine as like a secondary thing too. The social impact that you’re really having on the community.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely. So one of the things that always say is we’re using wine as a conduit for conversation to impact change. And really we know that when a bottle of wine is opened up, conversation flows. And so we’re using that and leveraging that by making the conversations more intentional. And so when we gather, when we do our wine tasting experiences, we don’t and talk about regular everyday politics or whatever. We are really having people dig deep into themselves. So a lot of diversity, equity inclusion work, which is, I think why a lot of people kind of get scared and veer away from it becomes kind of accusatory, “You’re wrong, this is what you should be doing and all of that.” But I really come from the lens of, “Where are you as a person right now? And how can we enhance and broaden your thought process about wherever you are.” Right?

Because we all can grow. The thing is a lot of people look at diversity, equity, inclusion like that’s a them problem. We need to solve their problem. We need to fix those people when it’s a collective effort. I have things to work on. I have emotions to check, sometimes our emotional responses don’t always help people grow and receive the things that we’re trying to say and just learning those types of processes to help each other communicate what we’re trying to say and move forward together.

So I look at diversity as a way for all people to transform and grow together and especially on teams because, I may be super progressive and ready to go. And then someone else on the team is not. But I can’t look at them differently than myself and say, “Oh, John’s a terrible person because he’s not ready to do this work.” But I’ve done work that he hasn’t done yet. And I have to be empathetic to the fact that yes, John needs a little more work than I do. And how do I use the skills that I do have to help John come to where I am.

Melyssa Barrett:  I love that. And definitely when the bottles of wine open, people get a little more open with themselves. I hope.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely. And that’s the thing. I don’t want people to feel like, “Oh, y’all just try to liquor people up and get them truth syrup.” And it’s like, “No, well, first of all, you drink to your comfortability level. Let’s start there.” But also just to kind of allow people to take a breath, it’s not that serious all the time. Sometimes it’s really just about having the conversation and yes, the conversations can seem very hard, but they don’t have to be. If we have them more often, they won’t be also. So that’s really my mission is to get people to just keep having these conversations, keep talking about it, you’re going to mess up. You’re going to say things that are not always right, but now you know that they’re not right. And you’re not walking around the world saying ridiculous things to multiple people.

Melyssa Barrett:  Right. Exactly. Wow. So what are some of the things that you guys do to engage, because I know, can you talk a little bit about Teneral and kind of what you all are doing, because I know when you all say that you’re almost using wine to open the conversation, the social impact that you all are having is so clear on community in terms of just being able to give back. So can you talk a little bit about what you all are doing and how you’re engaging with companies and others?

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely. So back to, and being intentional, not only are we creating these conversations, but we’re creating these opportunities for women owned businesses and women in the wine industry to be able to be elevated. So 100% of our vendors are women owned businesses. So our bottles comes from a women owned business, the labels, the label artists, the wine maker, the shipping company. Everyone is a woman owned business. And we did that really to show that one, women own businesses can be successful, can do the same things that all these other business men owned businesses can do. But also that they need these opportunities. A lot of women have businesses out there that they’re just not getting the opportunity that men get. I mean, venture capitalists give money to men like it’s no tomorrow.

And then when women come in, we have to explain and prove that we’ve done something that other people don’t have to prove. And that’s something that we wanted to be a part of the solution for that. A lot of times we don’t like things and we complain about them, but we don’t become the solution for those things. And that’s what Teneral really wanted to do. If women aren’t being elevated, women don’t have a place to go, they can know that Teneral’s a place that they can come and get that training and get that community that they need. [inaudible 00:13:49] every quarter we highlight a different female. We worked with Maria Mazon who was on Top Chef and we worked with Tanya Holland, who was James Beard chef.

We are really just trying to make sure that women understand that you have support. We need to support one another as women. And it’s kind of the only way that we’re going to see change is if we make the change that we want to see. And so Teneral is really trying to be the vehicle for that. And the example for other companies to understand that this is possible, you are possible and let’s do this together. And we’re not in competition also with other female wine companies. We want to bring them in. Let’s work together. Let’s figure out how we can take over this industry together.

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s awesome. Well, and it’s so interesting that you say that because the competition, because I just interviewed Randy Ramiro, who is the CEO, which is, I think he calls it a Filipino Vodka. So-

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Break that down.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes. So, but he talks a little bit about how in the industry, he is really focused on mentorship and the competitive element is different. Because I think in a lot of industries it’s like, “Oh no, you have a label. I have a label. You have a wine. We don’t talk to each other because we are avid competitors.”

OT Mosley-Bremond:  That’s ridiculous.

Melyssa Barrett:  It’s like you’ve changed kind of a game at this.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yeah. Well, because who drinks one type of anything, right? I’ve drink orange juice and I’ve bought multiple brands. I’ve sat in 14 different chairs today. So, and all those companies aren’t the same. So I think a lot of times we get it to this scarcity mindset and especially with women, we’ve been trained to think that way and breaking that mold and breaking that narrative is a part of what Teneral’s trying to do and make and let the world understand that just because it’s always been that way or you’ve never seen anything outside of that doesn’t mean outside of that doesn’t exist and we can make that a possibility for us. Right. And even with Teneral Cellers, like yes, we sell wine. Yes, we have conversations, but we also give back 10% of our proceeds to women focused organizations.

And this year we focusing on Women of the Vine & Spirits Scholarship Fund because we understand that wine is an expensive habit to have and if you want to elevate in wine to become I don’t know how many people understand how much wine you have to buy to just become that. And the wine, the more exotic it gets, the more expensive. If you want to be the best you can be, you got to fly to all these different countries and all of that, right. That’s costly. And as women, we’re mothers, we have families to take care of. How are we supposed to leave our families to go do these things plus work and take care of those families. So understanding that resources and opportunities and funding is in these types of realms is why we are donating 10% of our proceeds back to the Women of the Vines & Spirits so that 22 women this year will have a little more opportunity than they had before, because they’ll be receiving this.

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s fantastic. Now tell us a little bit about because I think the product, the way you all roll out the products is also amazing. And I know you have award-winning wines in particular collections. Can you talk a little bit about how you all are kind of have pulled that together so that you’re not only tapping into the wine and the conversation, but you all make a statement with each bottle as well.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yeah. So every quarter, our releases are focused around a women’s empowerment issue. And what we like to do is highlight something that women or the world is not really focusing on or elevating in a way that we feel is important. On top of that is to bring awareness to these issues in our community, as women and as women of color and the trans community, LGBT community, everything. Because our release is so we’ve done a release around love is love, which was our pride campaign and we paired that with where we gave 10% of our proceeds back to them to create more safe spaces around America. And we really did that because during the pandemic we found out that out of all the lesbian bars that used to exist, there used to be, I think something like 40 something of them.

And they were down to like seven in the country. And that was like, how? That mean that if there are seven and I think two or three of them were in New York alone. That means they’re like 40 something states that don’t have any safe space for lesbians to go and enjoy themselves, right. And people say, “Well, why is that important?” Well, because when you go into a bar and you know that you’ll be able to meet a person that you may be attracted and there be attracted to you and you’ll have fun and… We want to be able to do the same thing. Right? And so that was very important for us because safe space is one of our pillars. We understand what that means. Not only for sexuality, but for ethnicity, for workplaces, like having a safe space is super important and allows people to really grow and transform when they have somewhere to be safe as themselves.

Right. And then we did an initiative around for the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg, our first release ever. And that one was, we gave our proceeds to the National Women’s Law Center to elevate and help women who are incarcerated get more resources. And then we did our women’s health collection, which was my favorite, which was centered around women’s reproductive health, breast health, and heart health. And we gave our proceeds to the Endometriosis Foundation of America to highlight the lack of resources and the lack of funding around endometriosis and how many women suffer with it on a daily basis.

And that one was just so mind blowing, how we are so strong and powerful and do what we do every day and still suffer with all these ailments in the background. Right? And now we’re focused on the Women of the Vine & Spirits with our 208 Relief which this collection is highlighting the World Economic Forum’s article about the 208 years that it will take for women to gain full equality in America. Okay. America. And that’s not, we didn’t say equity. We just said equality. And we are not even talking about when you add all the other elements of race and everything else. So-

Melyssa Barrett:  Wow. I mean, that is phenomenal. So you pick these causes on a regular basis?“`

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. Every quarter.

Melyssa Barrett:  Every quarter. Okay.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. So next one, exciting, a little sneak peek. Our next one will be around the 50th anniversary of Title IX.

Melyssa Barrett:  Nice. I love it. Wow. That’s awesome. Let’s pause for a moment. We’ll be right back. I love how you all are just pulling in all of these elements and really kind of you’re having the conversation at a higher level and then wine is kind of there to just supplement the conversation and-

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Exactly.

Melyssa Barrett:  I love that. So then in your role, because your role is community engagement.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Our director of community partnerships and wine experiences.

Melyssa Barrett:  There we go.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes.

Melyssa Barrett:  Let’s get it right.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  I come from nonprofit that means you do everything.

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s great though. So are there partnerships or how are you engaging in some of partnerships and wine experiences? Are there things that people can get involved in aside from just purchasing Teneral? I know Jill speaks a lot and is on tour and then I think you have the responsibility of making sure that people have a good time either before or after.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. I’m the hype woman.

Melyssa Barrett:  I love it.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yeah. So outside of purchasing Teneral Cellers wine, we also do beautiful wine experiences. Of course, we have regular wine tasting experiences every day wine tasting. But although we really don’t have those because when you come with us, there’s going to be a little element of something about, to go a little deeper every time. But we also do offer diversity, equity, inclusion wine experiences that can be bought in series. We have other professionals that we bring in, that we work with who provide different trainings and seminars and sessions for corporate and community groups. A lot of our work is really going out into the community and kind of curating these conversations if you will, in spaces that are not having these conversations.

So even when we go to the East Bay Women’s Conference, it may not be a set up for us to have some type of conversation, but we’re going to find an opportunity to create that space and sit down in a corner with a bunch of women and pop open a bottle of wine and start asking questions and just start seeing what women are really talking about out there and getting really in the grass roots with the women and finding out what women want, what women are talking about and bringing that back to our community that we have here using our social media to ask questions that we found out in other places. So we really are just looking for spaces to open up conversations for people to create new opportunities, to talk about things that you may not have wanted to, had the opportunity to or the will house too, as well. So-

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s phenomenal. I love the fact that you’re really… Not only are you having the social impact, but you’re bringing that conversation of diversity, equity and inclusion with you as you go, because I think it’s so important. Your point at the beginning was, I need to understand where people are and meet them where they are. And we’re all at different places. The inclusion conversation will never end. We will never be a 100% inclusive. So there’s always something to learn. And I love how you guys are so into that. Are there other things that, because you guys are located up past Sacramento. If I remember correctly.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. We’re in a Fair Play, Somerset, California, El Dorado County. If you’re familiar with that. We’re close to Tahoe. I’m in LA. So that’s the fun fact there, but our vineyard is up in Somerset. So, yeah.

Melyssa Barrett:  But you are also doing a lot of virtual tastings as well.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Most of our work is virtual because we did again, starting the pandemic. So we have really created a safe space and a culture virtually. I know people are kind of tired of virtual and we’re kind of opening up and we do in person. We love in person. We love, we’re energy people, but we also have created that same type of feel virtually and especially teams that are spread apart. We’re perfect for that. So if you have multiple different locations, we can send the wine to each person, to their homes personally. And then we get, all jump on Zoom or Google Meet or whatever you have and work together and have some fun. And we also customize every experience. So no experience is exactly the same, even if you might do some of the same activities, the way we engage the people is based on again, where they are, where they’re coming from. So you can customize that however you like for your group. We do topics all the way from leadership to courageous conversations, to love conversations. So-

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s fantastic. I love it. So give us some tips and tools that you utilize to kind of get some of these conversations going, if you have anything you want to of talk about that maybe has been challenging or have there been, I mean, for you guys, even to be part of the founders, I mean, I can imagine that you had a conversation and all of a sudden you’re like the founder of a wine. So how does that even happen? Because you obviously had to be in somewhat of a particular place in order to even be able to take advantage of that opportunity.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Right. Well, okay. So how that started was, I mean, like any other company, gaining capital to go further. And so Jill was looking for some capital and she sent my wife and I the proposal and we had an entire Zoom meeting and you’re keeping your poker face like, “Oh yes, that’s oh, 100,000. Yeah. That’s doable right there.”

Melyssa Barrett:  Right.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  And you get off the call. You’re like, “What the heck.” There’s no way, right? And so after looking at that and having that conversation with Jill, we went back to her and said, “Listen, I hear you. This is something that we really would love to be a part of but honestly, as young women, as women of color, we don’t have 100,000 extra dollars laying around for no wine.” If I got extra $100,000, I got a lot of things I could think to do with that. Right. But we really would love to be a part of this, but there’s absolutely no way that we have this type of revenue. And I don’t know another woman that does. And when we said that she was like, “There’s an opportunity here. I never thought about that structure and how that has impacted women. And although we control a lot of the wealth in the household, we also control it. We make sure that a lot of it doesn’t leak.” Right?

Melyssa Barrett:  Right. Exactly.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  So understanding that she went back and changed the structure and changed to a lot lower and gained more investors. We have a founding 50 group that now 50 women, and a couple of very progressive men have joined to help build that capital. And now we have built in ambassadors. So we have 50 different ambassadors who are very much into this and are passionate about this and want to see this succeed. And so that totally changed how Jill looked at the entire wine industry and the structure of how she looked at everything. And so having that influence is definitely a part of a part of my daily mission. But in a bigger grand scheme of things, it takes those types of pushbacks, those types of questions to people for them to broaden.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  It’s not always “Oh, they just want to leave us out.” It’s like, no, their mind does not think like that. And so until you say it, until you put it on the pavement, they may not have ever thoughts to change their mind about that. And so that’s really what I’ve learned during this work is that, say it, put it out there and it doesn’t always have to be a negative thing. It’s sometimes it’s just, I’m just asking, I’m not saying yes or no. I’m just asking. And that changes the realm of where can go.

Melyssa Barrett:  And I love that because you think about it and you go, “Jill is an awesome.” I mean, her energy is amazing. And for her to be a woman owned business, who’s trying to structure her company and have feedback from you young. I mean, you are very young, person of color and to be able to go, “Yeah, right. No, this is not going to work.” And to actually have her go back and chan and I think that’s where you start to see equity, because people go, “you know what? I didn’t think about it that way. Is there another creative way to do it?” And I think those are, I love the fact that you are such an amazing person because you clearly don’t even understand the impacts that you’re having. And the ripples that you’re going to see in the world because of the conversations that you have had. I mean, it is incredible. And so I love to celebrate people who are doing the work and some people think that having a conversation is a small thing.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Have because you do it all the time.

Melyssa Barrett:  But it can have such big impact, just the smallest seed. You planting that question, like, “Is there another way to do this?” I mean, the fact that you would say, “I don’t know any other woman that has that kind of money sitting around waiting to give it to you for wine.” I mean-

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  It’s amazing, right. That she would take that back and be able to say, “You know what, let me figure out how to do this. If I’m going to tailor myself to women, how do I do that?”

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Which is what I really appreciate about Jill. Number one is that she does take the feedback and does say, “Okay, how can we make this better?” And that’s really what I want from all of the people we encounter, is that we’re not saying you should be different tomorrow. We’re not saying you have to change tomorrow, but that you’re thinking different when you leave us.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes. And I mean, honestly, I haven’t been to one of your virtual Yes. But I am definitely looking forward to it. And I love the fact that you are making that difference because I imagine everybody that walks away is taking that kind of attitude back to their workplaces or to their homes and having those conversations, which makes our world a much better place.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely and I thank you for saying that because a lot of times when you do this work, you do take those small conversations for granted and think like, “Oh, I’m not making an impact.” But you’re right. It does… Those little drops make ripples. So-

Melyssa Barrett:  Definitely. You are doing the work OT. I love it.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Thank you.

Melyssa Barrett:  So I’m going to ask you one last question, totally off topic.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  I like these types of questions.

Melyssa Barrett:  Right. So tell us about your grandmother.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Oh, which one?

Melyssa Barrett:  You talked about your grandma at the beginning and how she clearly has had some impact on your life as a community leader.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  What was-

OT Mosley-Bremond:  She probably wouldn’t even think of that she’s the person, because she’s so not, like today when I talk to her, I’m like, “You’re the reason that I’m this, against everything.” She’s like, “Girl why are you always arguing with me.” But yeah. My grandma Alma, which is my maternal grandmother, she is like a huge reader. My whole life, she reads everything. And I realized today that a lot of her reading was her escape to travel and see the world because she’s from the Deep South, she had her first [inaudible 00:35:41] when she was 13. All those old, traditional, Southern thoughts. She went through that. She experienced all of those things. So a part of her was a little jaded about the world. And so when she would read, it took her to places that she just never thought she could go. And so I think that through those books and those experiences, she knew what she wanted my life to look like. And so she would push and ingrain in me to always explore, always think deeper, always ask questions. Read it for yourself.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  That was her biggest thing. I will never forget we would drive past McDonald’s and before I could read, of course, I know what is, right. So she started like going different ways so that she wouldn’t have to pass that McDonald’s right. And so I’m like, “Grandma. Where are we?” And she was like, “If you learn how to read, you will know the streets, and then you could tell me which way to go.” So I learned how to read by reading the street sign and then be like, “No, we’re on the wrong street. You need to turn here.” So she just always used every opportunity with me as a learning opportunity. And so that’s kind of what changed my mind about how I move in the world. So every opportunity to me is a learning experience, a learning opportunity. So I ask questions and learn in every space and I thrive and enjoy it. And so now that’s just who I am and I’ll have her to thank for that.

Melyssa Barrett:  I love it. She has to be extremely proud of you in the work that you’re doing. So please do keep it up.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Thank you. I will.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes. We’re looking forward to seeing you continue to thrive. I know you’re working specifically at Teneral in the community partnership space, but as a founder, I imagine that you will have lots of impact throughout not only Teneral, but throughout the wine industry, based on some of the things that both you and Jill are doing. So-

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  I am excited to talk to you guys and thank you so much for joining me.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  No, thank you for having me and to all your listeners out there. You can find me on Instagram at O underscore the number two T-H-E underscore O-T-E-S-H-A. So it’s O to the Otesha on Instagram, and you can find Teneral sellers at Teneral, like general, but with a T, Cellers on Instagram and Facebook, and just reach out to me. Also, my email is And if you have any questions or just want to connect, I’m always down to connect. I’m in the LA area. You want to grab some coffee at a black owned coffee shop, I know all of them. So pick me up and let’s make some magic in this world.

Melyssa Barrett:

I love it. It’s all about cooperative economics. I really thank you so much and look forward to more conversations and certainly more wine.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Yes. Cheers to that.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes. Cheers. So thanks again. And we will be catching up with Jill Osur next. Talk to you later. Thanks, OT.

OT Mosley-Bremond:  Thank you.

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