Colorful Communication – Ep.34

Co-authors of “Speaking in Colors,” Vernita and Nikita Nikol Naylor explore the benefits of knowing your color frequency and advantages to learning various exercises for balancing these energies. Together, they explain how this englightning movement serves as a guide to how we communicate with one another and the effects that these color traits have when emitted into the world.

Melyssa Barrett:  Welcome to the Jolly Podcast. I’m your host, Melyssa Barrett. This podcast is for those who are interested in the conversation around diversity, inclusion, and equity. Each week, I’ll be interviewing a guest who has something special to share, or is actively part of building solutions in this space. Let’s get started. Nikita Nikol Naylor, daughter, entrepreneur, healing and holistic advocate, beauty professional, and spiritual Illuminist. Nikita Nikol is a California Bay Area native. She’s always been inclined to understanding with empathy. Having a strong desire to beautify the world, she began her career in the beauty industry at a very young age. During this time, she learned the true importance of clear communication, public relations, and customer service. She’s a lover of words and believes communication, both verbal and non-verbal, is the key source to knowledge, understanding and acceptance. She is a successful business owner with over 18 years in the beauty and public relations industries. This is what inspired her to partner with her mother Vernita, to bring you Speaking in Colors.

Vernita Naylor, mother, educator, small business advocate, change agent, cultural equity advisor, speaker, business owner, and published author. Vernita Naylor is a California Bay Area native. For over 30 years she has been educating, advocating, and supporting diverse business owners in various industry platforms from music and entertainment and supply chain management, to government contracting. She works heavily within the diversity equity and inclusion industry as a cultural equity advisor and penned the book, “Get The Cheese, Avoid The Traps: An Interactive Guide to Government Contracting”, to help improve the economic marketplace and enhance the supplier diversity and government contracting program in partnership with small business owners, buying agencies, and building capacity partners, ranging from small business development centers and procurement technical assistance centers to chambers of commerce. Her passion is to prepare diverse businesses to become business contract and supplier ready for viability to work in the supplier diversity and government contracting industry in partnership with government and corporate buying agencies. Please welcome Vernita and Nikita Nikol Naylor.

All right. Well, I am so excited to have you guys here with me this week. One of the perks of doing the podcast is I get to meet and talk to so many wonderful people. And I have the honor and pleasure of connecting with Vernita Naylor. And now, I have the ultimate pleasure of meeting her daughter, Nikita Nikol Naylor. And they are going to talk to us today about Speaking in Colors. And as soon as I met Vernita, I think we had maybe one conversation, and I was like, “Oh, I’ve got to order her books.” And so, I started reading the book, and it actually was different than I thought it was going to be.

I’m not sure what I expected, but as I got into it, and it’s a wonderful read, it doesn’t take you five weeks to read it. It takes you a few hours, maybe less, and it’s all about speaking in colors. And so, I love the fact that you call it speaking in colors, but before we get to the book, I wanted to just ask you both to talk a little bit about how you got here to this point in your life, and how you ended up writing this book together.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  So, basically, we have both been in fields where we have to communicate with a wide range of people. And over the years, it’s just been very important for us to make sure that we are communicating effectively to get our point across. And with dealing with different personalities, different backgrounds, different upbringings, it’s very important to see the person for themselves and try to not just stick into your own little box of how you communicate and your upbringing, but try to figure out how you’re able to grow that communication to where you’re able to communicate with all facets of people. So, me being in the beauty industry and just being a very social person since I was young, I have just learned to communicate with all walks of life. And I think that together, with the experience and communication that we both have, we were able to come together and bring you Speaking in Colors.

And then for me, on my end, in addition to that, being in a construction project management industry, being in a fashion and music and entertainment industry, mine rooted from my father, because I noticed that he was always able to navigate in any type of surrounding. I don’t care who it is, he was able to navigate. And we know our people from the South do not usually have a high school education. I think his was maybe junior high, maybe elementary. I noticed that he was able to navigate in any surroundings. He worked at the post office, and he was also a carpenter by trade. And he can build and do anything. And we watched him, even her, throughout life to be able to build and do anything, construct anything. And so, I noticed that, even though the frequencies were around him, that energy was around him, he was able to navigate and speak the colors of those he had to work with, no matter who they were, to get the results that he needed. And I was like, “There’s something to this.”

And so, through all of those things, my daughter and I decided to create Speaking in Colors, because we saw, especially post COVID, people were having more issues than pre COVID, having problems communicating. But, with post COVID, we were all able to sit down and watch the world unfold. And we said, “There has to be something that we can do to make a difference and improve the narrative perspective and the lens in which people see, because people are speaking to their past. People are speaking to people who have nothing to do with the situation that they’re in.” So, you’re talking to someone, and you’re thinking it’s that person, but it’s not that person or that group. Who you’re speaking to is something that happened to you, or something someone told you about, or something that you learned from the media. So, I was like, “We have to change the narrative, we have to change the lens, and we have to change and improve the perspective of others.”

Melyssa Barrett:  I love that. And I think it’s so significant because, now with such a focus on diversity, equity and inclusion, we don’t talk about communication enough.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  Maybe we can start by you all just defining what does speaking in colors mean, because I know you start with a segment on born with, like you’re born with colors. And then, you go through your whole life essentially, is just made up of colors. But, can you maybe speak to how you define speaking in colors and people’s frequency as you reference?

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Okay. So, the concept of speaking in colors, the simplicity of it is diversity of who you are and what makes you up to be who you are. And through that, it determines and influences and impacts your communication styles. So, when we say “Speaking in color”, we’re talking to that person who may have that purple hair, who may have the beard, who may have the corn rows, who may be in a wheelchair, who may be fat, skinny, tall, short. We’re speaking to all those things that make the person of who they are, because it’s that first impression that people see outside of skin color. So, the skin color is that first layer. And then, that second layer is that other thing that they see like I just mentioned. So, speaking in colors is that diversity. And then, we talk about the frequency which is energy. So, energy is always around us, whether we absorb it or not.

So, for example, after a rough day, some people might go and sit at a park and watch the children play, the dog run, or the squirrels run around, or they might go to a beach if they have that option to go to a beach or an ocean. And all those things are speaking to you to help you to unwind. It’s those frequencies that’s helping you to unwind. So, those are the concepts of speaking in colors and the frequencies which is really energy.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  And in turn, with that, the frequencies that we experience, that we walk around with on a regular basis, are tied with color. So, there are colors that we emit due to who we are as people. So, for instance, my color is purple. And my mom’s color is … What is it? Red?

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  It’s red when I’m working and yellow when I’m in my personal life.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Okay. So, if we were to communicate, red is not a forceful color, but it’s a dominant color. I have red also and purple because I have blue and red mixed together. So, for instance, if she is in the mode of her dominant color and she needs to come and present herself to me or speak to me about something, she would need to change her color, which is her frequency, which is the energy that she gives out when you speak to others, or when you speak to a certain person, to be able to allow me to understand in the best way, what she’s speaking of. However, we’re born with these innate colors. Also, then develop filter frequencies that we then get. And they cloud who we are originally, cloud the color that we are. So now, we have hues of black and white and different other colors that come in, that dilute and change the color of who we are.

So, we just developed Speaking in Color in saying that everyone is walking around with their color frequency. And then, also on top of that, due to the life they’ve lived, things that they were taught, things that happened in their lives, they also develop color filter frequencies that then also change that. And so, it’s just very important to know where you are, and regardless if you know where the other person is, know how you need to cultivate conversation within yourself so that other people can clearly understand you.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  And I want to say also too, as she just said, us creating this book was a challenge for us because she’s a more creative the person. And she approaches things creatively where I am dominant, I want to get it going. And she’s like, “Let’s think this through first.” And so, we had to work through this process to get this book done. So, we were really good examples in addition to the team that helped us to create the book, because then, they had different frequencies that we had to deal with. They had some toxic filter frequencies of the white, gray, and black of their biases because they couldn’t understand what we were trying to do. So, we had to work through that to get the book created. So, all the different aspects of creating this book, we were able to channel those frequency energies. And that’s why we put an assessment test in the book early on, so people can really tap into that early on to understand who they are.

Melyssa Barrett:  Y’all said a whole lot right in there. I mean, Oh, my gosh! So, we’re going to come, but go ahead, Vernita. I mean, Nikita.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  You know what? As soon as you said that, I forgot. So, go on ahead. You’re fine. And like she said, I’m more creative. And I think that was by divine design that we really had to put the book in practice. Do you know what I mean? It’s not something that we were just able to put out there. We really had to put it in practice and really work through the chapters, work through the things, so that we know this work that we’ve put out is effective.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yes.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yeah. And it was really interesting for me. And I’m sure this is one of the reasons Vernita and I connected so quickly because her color frequencies seem to be the same as mine, yellow and red. But, you know how you have a conversation with somebody and you feel like you’ve known them for years and decades?

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Melyssa Barrett:  It was like that, where you have that connection. And wouldn’t it be nice, when we talk about inclusion, if everybody would have the ability to have that connection?

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  And so, for you guys to talk about the communication, the frequencies, the toxic filters, even you go into healing and what it takes to actually heal … And I don’t know if you guys want to talk a little bit about some of those things, because part of the challenge for people feeling included is they don’t feel heard. People aren’t listening to what they’re saying, so they feel like either you’re excluding me or you’re ignoring me.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Melyssa Barrett:  You don’t even acknowledge what I’m saying. And in a meeting, whether you’re producing product or educating a class or whatever, there are so many things that come into play when you’re talking about communication and how you communicate versus other people, especially when it comes to diversity. I mean, that’s inherent in everyone is so much diversity, but it’s like we don’t give each other the benefit of the doubt at all anymore.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah. I think the main thing is, when you are doing the work to heal, doing the work to be a better person, is that you go within first. A lot of people like to point the finger at what happened to them or what someone else did to them. But, if you go within and figure out what’s going on with you first and foremost, who you are authentically first and foremost, then you’re able to address some of those things. And to use your example with someone not feeling heard, that didn’t just start the day that they went into the meeting. They don’t feel heard in a variety of situations because maybe they weren’t heard as a child. Maybe they weren’t acknowledged as a child. Maybe they weren’t given the voice to speak as a child.

So, you’re an adult now saying, “You’re not listening to me. You’re not hearing me.” And now, it’s coming out a lot stronger than what it would when you were a child because you never dealt with those issues. And so, I think the main thing is for us to go within and look at ourselves, and figure out what innately is our stuff. Do you know what I mean?

Melyssa Barrett:

Right.

Have I always been this way? When did I acquire this? And that’s why we talk about nature versus nurture. Was this something that was in my natural nature, or is this what I was taught? You stay in a child’s place. You don’t speak when grown folks are speaking. Different things that we’ve been told over time develop who we become into adolescence, then young adults, and then as grown adults. So, it’s just very important to go within first and foremost and figure out … And sift what is innately yours, what is not yours. And then, it’s okay when you do find out those things that you have been given, taught, absorbed, whatever the case may have been, that you discard of that.

That’s what was taught to me, but in my adult life, I don’t agree with those principles, and it’s okay to throw those things out. That is what I was taught in a particular religion. This is what I was taught in my early friendships. This is what I saw just observing. And so, that does not necessarily mean that these are universal laws, that these are facts, but these are things that cultivated who you are and how you show up in the world. So, you must first look at yourself and do the work there. Then you can go out and express and try to change the world because you can only change yourself by the example that you give. You can only change yourself in hope that your frequency, your energy, the colors that you give off is so powerful that it will help change the lives of others.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  And that’s why it’s so important too, that once you work on that, because that’s why I said earlier, you are dealing with someone that had nothing to do with your issue. So, a lot of times, the triggers that people have is not anything to do with that individual or that group, it’s something that has to do with their past. And then, if they don’t work through those processes as they become an adult, that’s why you find some people are easily persuaded to join cults because, as you go through those different toxic filter frequencies, you find out that you’re so upset and you’re so irritated with a group of people or different types of people that you want to get back at people.

And so, that’s why you have a lot of discrimination, biases. I mean, we all have a level of bias, but there are some people who just eat, sleep and drink their biases. And so, that’s why we talk about the toxic filter frequencies and how it goes from white to gray, to black, because the thing is, when it’s white and your original frequency is red, then you have a little mild mannered way of dealing with stuff.

But then, when it gets all the way to black, you’re so irritated, you’re so irate, you almost want to kill somebody, or you almost want to maim somebody. That means that it’s gotten so out of control. So, your voice not being heard has gotten so out of control, because you’re really mad at your mom and dad because they kept on saying, “Be quiet”, and you didn’t cultivate yourself as you got older that now everybody is an enemy. And so now, you can’t get anything done. And then now, you’re seen as, “Okay, we can work with him or her.” Whether you’re an actor or actress, whether you’re working in a retail store, you have this pattern of people saying, “You can’t work with them. They don’t listen. They’re combative or none responsive”, or “They’re a bully.” So, that’s how a lot of that shows up.

Melyssa Barrett:  Interesting. So then, let me just ask this question. So, you talk about being your first color frequency, those were your words, versus the nature versus nurture components of your second color frequency. And then, you get into transmitting as well as color correction, which I love that term color correction when you guys start talking about the toxic filters, because when you think about patience or healing trauma, for example, it’s nice to think about it as a color correction, as opposed to such a negative basis for how people are, because it makes you feel like there is good in there. It’s just been filtered improperly. It has all that bad water in there, and we need to go back and filter it or something, get it purified.

So, it’s awesome to me, when you talk about correcting broken communication patterns. So, what can people do if they are not transmitting properly? What are some of those things? I know for me, just doing the assessment was helpful because I was like, “Oh, wow! I didn’t know that I’m mindfulness and motivated, spontaneous for high, and my low is anxious, nervous and uncertain.” And so, when you start thinking about red where I’m active, cheerful, optimistic, but my low is impulsive and aggressive. And it’s funny because you don’t necessarily think of yourself in the same color on those different ends of the spectrum. But, I know people will tell me one thing or the other, in both cases, depending on what’s going on with me at that time or that day or whatever. So, you really do see it show up, so that you have the ability to maybe self correct.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  I think one of the main things when you’re speaking of that is to always remember, especially with frequency and energy, that there is polarity, there’s a high, a low, up and down, a positive and a negatively charged energy. And I want to say charged because there is really no negative as people say, it’s just a lower level of energy on that spectrum. You can definitely be that same color, but represent different facets of that color. But, it depends on the balance that you are in at that moment, which determines the color. So, really, when you’re doing your self assessment and you’re doing your work, you have to figure out what is it that makes me balance? Am I getting enough sleep? Am I doing my daily meditations? And it doesn’t always have to come from …

People say you’re supposed to do certain things. Maybe cleaning for some people is meditation or is therapeutic. Whatever you can do to center yourself to maintain that balance. You normally see that people that are on social media that watch the news, that do all of these things, they’re low vibrational because they’re not balanced. You’re looking into what the world says as to what’s going on when you haven’t even checked in with yourself as to how you feel as to what’s going on.

So, when you do step out of your home and step into the world, now you’re operating from your lower spectrum of red or your lower spectrum of whatever color, because you’re not balanced. So, I think that the main thing is to make sure that each and every day you do the work to be balanced. And during the day, even if you figure out that, “Okay, I’m a little cranky”, or whatever else have you, then you can still take that time away. I like to do it in the beginning of the day and be very intentful about my day, because once I do that, I can set the tone for my day, and then I can vibrate high.

But, it’s hard to start your day if you’re vibrating low, to raise that up when, generally, the things that we see are a direct reflection of how we’re feeling. So, if you go outside and you’re feeling crummy, you’re going to meet all the crummy people, things that are negatively charged are going to happen to you. You might stub your toe, your tire might get flat because all of these things are in the frequency at which you’re at when you step out. So, I think that those things are just very important to just make sure that you’re balanced. And then, also, to look at the commonalities. A lot of people are self centered, but they’re not looking within. So, what I mean by that is …

Melyssa Barrett:  Say that again.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  A lot of people are self centered, but they’re not looking within, so this is just who I am. They say this about me. And they say that. And I really don’t subscribe to “They.” I’m like, “I don’t care.” But, I must say that if more than a couple of people are saying the same thing about you, it has to be some truth to it. So, to piggyback off of my mom’s example, if people are saying, “You’re very difficult to work with. You’re not able to listen”, or “You’re not able to communicate with people effectively”, then you have to look at those similarities and figure out what things are in those interactions. There’s something not wrong with everyone that you’re meeting. There’s something going on with you that you need to address and start there.

Melyssa Barrett:  Your color frequency is out of order.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right. And then, you were asking about the transmitting [inaudible 00:27:37]. Everything is transmitting frequencies to us as we emit frequencies to [inaudible 00:27:43]. So, as you know that you woke up on the wrong side of the bed as they say … But, as you woke up and you had a headache, you didn’t sleep well, you have to be mindful and do a body check of what you’re transmitting before you step your feet on the floor, because that transmission is going to carry throughout the day. And people are not aware, but they should be aware, when they walk into a room, you can feel the energy being transmitted in the room.

And you have to determine how are you going to deal with that transmitted energy, whether it’s good or bad. So, we have to more cognitive. And like my daughter said, if we do less TV and more quiet time to tap more inward, I think that would help us a lot to be more sensitive to what’s being transmitted to us, because some people would say, “Well, this just happened to me”, or “That just happened to me.” But, no. The frequencies were speaking to you, but you weren’t paying attention until [inaudible 00:28:46]. So, we have to be mindful of what’s being transmitted to us, as well as how we’re transmitting to each other as well.

Melyssa Barrett:  And you make a good point, because one of the things that people don’t realize the benefit of is allowing people the space. We think that somebody has to be talking all the time.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  But, even after George Floyd’s murder, there were a lot of companies that were just giving space to people. We’re getting on the phone. We’re not having an agenda for the meeting. We’re just letting people talk.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  And it was amazing to see how people were able to connect across diverse populations, ethnicities, genders, because there’s so much relativity. People could really relate, whether their eyes were opened and they had no idea, or whether they were just saying, “Yeah. This is the life. I mean, this is what happens to us.”

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  And so, I do think just allowing that space, the whole … So, you said you start in the morning with meditation. My coach would say he always starts with setting his intentions for the day. And then, he’ll go into meditation and all of that, of course. But, I do find that, when you actually get out and touch the earth, I mean, I’m an earthy person, when you go out and put your feet in the grass or all of those things, it’s like the energy, the frequency that you’re emitting, those colors become brighter to me. My whole energy changes.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  It’s very important. And we’ve just started a garden. So, it’s really awesome like you said. We have a lot of land around us, so we’re always going outside, relaxing, like you said, earthing, grounding ourselves. But, for those who live in busy cities and you have 5G, you have, like we said, social media and all these electronic things, you don’t even have that time to just be with self before you start the day. So, you’re already starting deficient, if you will. And then, it just goes from there. So, getting nature or at least going to the park, just doing the things that are around that are of nature is really cool. And if you can’t get that, then having plants in your home, flowers, pets, those type of things, to really bring you that nature and that piece is very important.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s phenomenal. I love it. Let’s pause for a moment. We’ll be right back. I had the pleasure of chiming in with you all for your, I think you called, six Saturdays, Speaking in Colors Saturdays.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yes.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Yes.

Melyssa Barrett:  So, tell me a little bit about six Saturdays and how that came about, because I know your Speaking in Colors is not just a book. You’re really trying to insight a movement.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yes.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Absolutely. So, our goal is to, like you said, start a movement, a movement of openness, a movement of communication, a movement of safe speech to where everyone is comfortable to really talk about some really diverse issues. So, six Saturdays is something that we started after we finished the book, and wanted to just really get out there every Saturday. We were doing it for a minute on Instagram, but Clubhouse seemed to be doing really well. I think the climate is a little bit different, but we go every Saturday and we speak about various topics. So, this particular Saturday, we spoke about the second chapter of the book; Nurture versus Nature. And then, it spent off into identity and who you are and how you show up in the world. So, we want to provoke thought. We want to have people to think of things that they haven’t yet done before.

And eventually, we want to start forums where we’re able to meet together and really talk about some really good things to where, when people leave, they are leaving renewed and changed. And like you said, they’re leaving and they felt that they were heard. We don’t always have to agree. Do you know what I’m saying? And that’s okay. But, as long as you are heard and I can understand your perspective, I can take something from that, that can help me to work better on my perspective of the world. And right now, especially with everything that’s going on, especially with the social distancing, I know a lot of people now are back into the swing of things because now we don’t have to social distance so much, but a lot of people still are. A lot of people really were affected by not being … They were already introverts, but they were doing better.

And so, when the social distancing and the Shelter-in-place happened, it really made them dig their heels into their natural color frequencies, and that they did not want to really go out and commune and socialize and things of that nature. So, we wanted to get finally to the point where we can have forums to do that, and where we can all fill each other’s energy. Do you know what I mean? And heal some things. But, right now, we’re starting that on social media platforms.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  And one thing too, that’s really important for us is not only the movement, but we really want to change the dynamics of what people are saying because, as you’re sheltered in place, and if you’re an introvert, for example, you only have your mind and what your thoughts are. So, if you’re looking at TV, speaking to a friend or whatever, after that’s cut off, then you go into your shell, and then your mind just gets going. But, if you have a platform in which you can talk it out, I mean, we’ve had some very good discussions over the past two … Was it two months or six weeks or something like that?

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah. Two months.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Two months. And so, we’ve had identifying shame, born with. What are some of the other topics?

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  We talked about so many things. And the only reason why I say that I can’t think of the topics off hand is because we start with topics …

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  It spins off.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  And then, it just spins off because people are so eager and so ready to share. Sometimes people talk about stuff we didn’t even ask them about. Do you know what I’m saying?

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right. It’s like a therapist. We’re like a therapist. We’re like, “Uh-oh!”

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  It was just sitting on them so heavy, so we don’t want to be like, “No. That was the question.” We just let them speak on what they want to speak on because we want to create that safe space, because them being able to communicate and feel heard might change a lot for them.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  And it has because, what’s so interesting is, a lot of people, when we have our settings, it’s beautiful because the community that’s on the social media platform, it’s like, “I’m dealing with that too.” Or, “Here are some things you can do to help.” And people have actually told us, once we in, “This has really helped.” Because just like you said about the book, they haven’t read the book, but they’ll say, “When I came into this room and it said Speaking in Colors, I was thinking one thing, but it’s something totally different once everyone leaves.” And I’m glad that it’s a more concentrated group of people and not 100 people, because people really get their needs met in our forum. And so, we’re really happy that is really happening.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Absolutely.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  One person at a time.

Melyssa Barrett:  It was awesome. I mean, I think you started off with a quote by Michael Jordan talking about authenticity.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Melyssa Barrett:  And as other people came in, they were talking about identity. And I mean, the complexity of identity is so significant that when people think “Speaking in Colors”, a lot of times they immediately go, “Oh, this is a black person or a brown person or whatever, and they’re speaking in that color.” But, you all are totally flipping the script on communication, frequencies, and energy and all of those things, which is so interesting because it’s so complicated.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah. And let me just say this too, we didn’t intentionally want the [inaudible 00:37:58] and white, but the universe knew it should be black and white, because now people are confused. Speaking in Colors, but why is it black and white? And that’s the thing.

Melyssa Barrett:  Because people want things in black and white.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  And color. They want extra stimulus. And it’s like, “No. You have to think for yourself. What does that mean for you? When you just look at the words, when you just look at the cover and it’s just black and white, what does that you evoke for you?” We’re not going to spoon feed you like everything in our society does, or try to make you think a certain way. And like my mom was saying, there have been so many different covers that we were like, “Yes. What is the problem? Why we can’t use this?” And it just was like, “It was supposed to be black and white just the way it is.” And it provokes thought.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah.

Melyssa Barrett:  It’s awesome. So look, I’m going to hold it up here so people can see it. It is black and white. I mean, I just think it’s so interesting when you pull back the layers of communication and, as you say, speak in colors, because it does really allow not only for you to understand yourself, but for you to really tap into someone else’s frequency, and what the colors that they have actually going on in their life. I mean, you guys give some really good things in here with respect to just affirmations and some real just practical uses, journaling, things that really get you in touch with how you’re feeling versus always looking out at things that you have to do or things that you have to be in order for other people to try to connect to you.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right. And let me say this too, what’s interesting too, speaking to what you’ve just said, that’s why I put that example in. It’s a true example, but I put that example and changed the names and all of that about the doctor and the patient, because a lot of us even go to a doctor, and it is our frequency and what we’re transmitting to ourselves that causes us to be sick, or causes that interaction with a doctor to go awry. And people have to realize this transcends no matter what you’re doing.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yes.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  And that’s why you have to go back and reflect and say, “okay. Journal, reflect on that. How did that happen? Who did what? Why did that happen?” Because we are a people in the world, no matter what culture you are, of sickness, because a lot of times we’re holding things in, or we’re responding to someone else’s biases or different things like that, which is causing us to be ill. So, we have to be really mindful of just everything that we’re doing and always check in with self. Like my daughter said, even throughout your day, if you find yourself slipping or you find yourself regressing to something, flip it and think about, “Okay. I’m operating in my low frequency. Let me get myself back up at least to the middle if I can’t get to the highest.”

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  What is it that I need? What is it that I need to get back balance? And you can’t go from low to high. You need to go from low to balanced. Then you can go to high. Do you know what I mean? It’s really just important that we always do that, because then, just like she said, with the doctor, if we are already high or at least balanced. And that’s why they say doctors practice medicine, they don’t know everything. They be practicing. They’re practicing on you. They’re practicing on me. They be practicing. They’re just trying to see if something will stick. And now too, especially when you go, you pretty much tell them what you think is going on. And they’re like, “Yeah. That’s it. That’s the thing that’s going on.” So, when you do have a diagnosis, or not just a diagnosis from a doctor, a diagnosis from anyone, your frequency and your perspective on who you are and how you see the world can be almost life or death. If someone continuously tells you that you are nothing, you will never be anything.

If you do not do the work … And it’s not anything that’s easy, let’s be clear. The book is a very easy read. It’s very simple and straight to the point. But, the bottom line is doing the work. And the work is not easy. It’s not easy to stop in the middle of your day and be like, “Oh, you’re tripping. Get it together.” And I hate to say it, but sometimes it feels good to be tripping. It feels good to just go out and just feel whatever you’re going to feel, and whoever catches it is just going to catch it. It feels great, but you’re not going to harvest and reap better benefits.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Karma’s going to hit you.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  And then, karma is not even a thing to where people are like, “Oh, you do bad to people. Bad is going to come back to you.” That is not what karma is. Karma is ebb and flow. So, if you swing that pendulum really hard, it might not come back as someone cursed you out or someone hit your car because you hit someone else’s car. It might not come back as that, but the pendulum is going to come back just as hard as you swung it. It’s coming right back at you at that ebb and flow. So, if people are like, “Oh, karma. What you’re doing to others is going to be done to you”, it’s an energetic thing. So, your energy might have been so strong one day when you spoke so negatively to someone, that it might equate to your house burning down.

Melyssa Barrett:  Wow!

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Do you know what I mean?

Melyssa Barrett:  Yeah.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Your mouth and the energy that you gave to someone might almost karmically be equivalent to someone’s house burning down, or a very bad car accident to where your car is totaled. Do you know what I mean? So, it doesn’t come back necessarily in the same way that you gave it, but however you swung that pendulum, whatever energy you put out, and that’s the main about karma, whatever energy that you give is the energy that you will receive.

Melyssa Barrett:  Wow! That’s awesome. And as a younger person Nikita, I know my kids are millennials. And with all of this social media and the time spent with social media, I know a lot of the older generation looks and says, “They don’t communicate like they did back in the day. We used to really communicate. We could debate and be totally fine afterwards.” And now, things are so polarizing and there’re little snippets here, and everybody’s off, and it only takes a trigger here or there if you’ve got generational trauma going on. And so, I wonder, are there a few things that you would suggest to even say the younger generation when it comes to speaking in colors?

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Actually, it’s a catch 22 because I think the younger generation is doing very awesome in allowing people to be themselves. That is a plus that the older generation … And I’m a millennial too. They changed my theme. I don’t know what happened, but I’m a millennial too now. So, that’s one thing I think that is very positive about the younger generation, is that they allow people to be who they are. Do you know what I mean? And they’re not very judgemental people, but I do believe that they’re so nonjudgmental and so just loose with allowing everyone to be and do, and just be free, which is a very good positive thing, but you still have to have your morals and your values and the things that you believe intact. Because, I notice if you don’t have some type a foundation when you in contact with someone …

Now, I’m not going to judge you. How you want to do your thing is whatever, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that I agree with that, or that I’m going with you, or that I embody what it is that you are about also. Do you know what I mean? And because of social media and different facets like that, we have lost the innate ability that we have to connect without speech, to connect without hearing all the time. Just like you said, the communication and things of that nature, you used to be able to look a person in their eye.

I mean, and you still can. I mean, I can. Older people also can, to look people in their eye and see what type of person you are. I might not know your whole story, but I can look at you and see whether I am safe with you. I can look at you and see, if you’re telling me something, whether I should believe you. Back in the day, we had the safe word, “Oh, my mama said … I mean, your mom said to come with me.” What’s my word? I’m not coming with you. You don’t even know the word. But, there was this thing that we had to let us know when there was danger. There was this thing that we had to let us know when we needed to double check some things. Or, we were tapped in enough to listen to our inner being to know, “Okay, your friends are staying there, but you should go. You should call your mom and go.”

Melyssa Barrett:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Maybe it’s not a good situation for you. So, I mean, I think that the best thing to do for young people, which is almost like killing them now, is to detach.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yeah. Go off the grid.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  To not be on social media. It’s almost like, “I stayed on punishment. Punishment was the homie.” I didn’t know what to do when I wasn’t on punishment like, “Oh, my God! I’m not on punishment. I could do stuff.” So, I didn’t have that. We didn’t have cell phones in that way. We had the telephone, but you had to get to a land, or you have to get to a place to sit up and talk on the phone, and you paid for that time. So, I really couldn’t be on the phone. I didn’t have unlimited talk time. Do you know what I mean? Or, even if I wasn’t on the phone, I couldn’t, at three in the morning, be seeing what someone is doing. I didn’t have YouTube to where I can, as a three year old, five year old, look at things that I have no business seeing. And I’m on the kids channel, but there are things infiltrated to bring those certain things into our lives.

So, I know it’s very easier said than done, but it really starts with the parents because, unless your child starts to ask for those things early on, don’t provide it. Instead of having a tablet or one that’s connected to the internet, I’ve seen they have LeapPad’s or different things where you can learn and you can do different activities. You can even watch a little show, but it’s not like you’re on the worldwide web, just an advertisement away from seeing things. So really, it starts with the parents. And then, just be an individual and listen to your inner self. There’re a lot of situations that you can avoid as an adolescent, a youth and young adult, just listening to that inner voice. You know when your friend is not good. And I was the only child, so I knew when my friends wasn’t …

Melyssa Barrett:  So, you were spoiled. We’re learning a whole lot about …

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  That’s the whole thing. I was almost like a little baby prisoner.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Mm-mm (negative).

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  That’s what I thought when I was younger, because I was like, “Man, mom. It’s only me. I don’t never get to do nothing. What do you mean I ain’t getting no school clothes this semester?” I just didn’t understand, but as I got older and was able to utilize those things that I was taught, I always tell her thank you so much for doing the work.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  It was hard.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  It’s definitely not easy. And I always used to be like, “Ew!” Like we were saying, filter frequencies, I always used to be like, “Her frequency is black.”

Melyssa Barrett:  Not black, but black.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Right. She must don’t like me. But, as I’m older now, it’s not fun. She wanted to hang out. She wanted to do stuff. She wanted to go, but I’ve got to sit here and be with you because you want to do what you want to do. And so, now we both own punishment because you’re not so sure, if you leave, if I’m going to stay in the house type of thing. So, just really doing the work to really just make sure that she just cultivated, and not to toot my own horn, but just a well balanced human being. I did things that were. I did, but I always had those reasoning skills. And that’s what’s going to save the youth and young adults today, is those reasoning skills and understanding where you are because, like you said, with the George Floyd situation, very devastating. It’s not the first time that us as a people have gone through that, but you need to understand who you are as a person and where you stand, and what is your gift.

Don’t go to the street and riot. That’s not my gift. That’s not what I do, but I can bring consciousness to people when situations are around me. I can correct those situations. I can be a thought leader and let people know how to change those things, and how to heal and maybe not have to deal with some of those things, and how to deal with that. Do you know what I mean? So, just understanding who you are, but you’re only going to be able to do that if you’re “Not in the matrix.” And the babies nowadays are born in the matrix. My friend has a six month old and he already knows how to unlock her phone. How he knows how to do that, I have no idea. It’s actually pretty creepy. It’s creepy. I don’t know, but it’s hard to say because this is their hope now. This is who they are. So, to revert in a way and go back to the principles that we had for ourselves growing up, it’s not an easy thing to do.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yeah. So well said, because I think a lot about what the kids of today have to deal with, that constant digital influence of everything. You really have to understand your own brand, your own purpose so early in life now, that it becomes really challenging. Even just if you get on social media, what are you posting? What are you not?

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  That’s a whole nother thing too.

Melyssa Barrett:  Yeah. It’s crazy.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  The bullying. How do you get bullied online. I never understood how your self worth is based off of what a person says that don’t even know you, not even in your vicinity. And then, that’s just the whole like thing, but how do you get bullied? I don’t understand. Just unfollow them or just block the person, or just better yet get off of there. It’s not making me feel good. I’m going to remove myself. A lot of youth and young adults have almost, or not even almost, have come to the point of suicide for being bullied online. This person is not even in your vicinity. When we’re bullied back in the day, we were for real bullied. You had to physically run or use a physical ability.

We weren’t so sensitive to where someone said something to us, we just took it so much to heart. And that’s when you built your character. We did the dozens, we talked about each other. That was almost a skill. I don’t have to fight with you. I don’t have to do these things because I can get you with my wits, with my words. Do you know what I mean? So, it’s just crazy how people are being bullied online, and bullied to that point to where you feel like you’re so precious and you feel like you don’t want to be here because of somebody online.

Melyssa Barrett:  And to your point though, about color frequencies, I mean, they could be operating at such a frequency that they don’t feel confident in themselves, or they don’t have that esteem. They don’t even have the ability to really stand up. And when somebody is just constantly brooding you and you’re being beaten, it’s really hard sometimes to just get up.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah.

Melyssa Barrett:  So, I mean, everybody’s at a different place and trying to meet people where they are so that we can have just the colorful life that we would want. It’s just challenging. I mean, I remember, after my husband passed away, just being able to get up out of the bed was an accomplishment. And I took it. I’m like, “You know what? I’m taking this today. This is my good thing. I’m in gratitude for that.” So, there’re so many things going on in people’s lives, and life can be so complicated, but I just love that you guys talk about speaking in colors and learning how to work with people who are different from you. And the conversations that you all are having on six Saturdays, we don’t need to agree, but we should be able to have respectful conversations.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Right.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Absolutely.

Melyssa Barrett:  And I hope, as you guys continue to do six Saturdays, maybe you could pull in a politician or two and teach them …

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  We’re getting there. We’re going to get there.

Melyssa Barrett:  Teach them how to speak in colors and let’s listen to each other and figure this out.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Yeah. We’re really trying to broaden and get global with this because we want to touch all different types of people, because everyone can improve at some point in time. And one thing I have a saying is “Cursed is the man who feels he has nothing to learn.” He’s a fool, because we all have something to learn, no matter how old or how young we are. So, we hope to tap into that sooner or later on the politicians of the world.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  The schools, the police department, just in every facet of life, medical, because you’re all communicating, and we’re communicating to one to another, so everywhere.

Melyssa Barrett:  That’s awesome. I love that. What a great place to end on. And I’m just so grateful to have you all here. And I’m looking forward to hearing more from you all on Speaking in Colors. Join the movement, and don’t forget to order the book online, Speaking in Colors. We’ll give you the link to do so. And again, I just so appreciate you Vernita and Nikita, for coming to the Jolly Podcast and telling your story. And we are looking forward to continuing to see your frequency move on to the higher planes. So, thanks again for being here.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Thank you for having us.

Nikita Nikol Naylor:  Thank you.

Vernita Nikol Naylor:  Thank you.

Melyssa Barrett:  Thank you so much. Thanks for joining me on the Jolly Podcast. Please subscribe so you won’t miss an episode. See you next week.